Shurakens
Re: Shurakens
Another advantage to a credit system is you can determine other strategic marketing ways to hand out credits. Such as refer a friend with invite code. If they spend $100 get 50 credit. What you are doing is rewarding this player a legend card for referring someone who became a $100 spender. This would allow free players to get all kinds of cards including legends and epics without spending a dime. Instead all they have to do is refer friends to the game who spend $100s of dollars. This would be a form of viral marketing for you where all you're players start trying to get their friends to play and opens up yet one more avenue for free players to one day get epics.
Re: Shurakens
As I have this card and had quite a lot matches using it I dont see it as an OP card anymore.
Sure it is very strong but OP is something else.
This card is meant to stop monkey king and bunny and it does it quite well.
But never alone. You cant use it without blizzard to have an OP effect.
With blizzard it surely is OP, but when you think about using 2 spellcards targeting all enemy units, a good player knows what to do. You either use sabotage, magic overwhelm or elven fairy.
I played vs very strong players with monkey king, bunny and other epic and high leveled cards in the same deck and I won using blizzard and shuriken.
You now might say "see, this is totally op" but wait, were these players even try to counter a spellcard? NO!!
I lost vs weaker players using no epics cards but also all units being slowed down by shuriken.. well, not slowed down because they used sabotage. Thats the way you have to deal with cards. Use other cards that work against them and not blame the game creator that you just cant play the deck you always played and won.
Sure this cards needs adjustments because we all know math and what happens when you use 2 shuriken...
Solution A:
In my opinion minimum change should be to limit usage to 1.
You can even go to limit buying to 1 so you cant evolve the card and stop to hit every card if leveled high enough...
This would be some real special deal because it applies only to one card and I think it wont be done.
So the better would be to make player only use 1 card because 2 would be useless.
This leads to...
Solution B:
Bookie said some time ago in chat to limit the card to fantasia and dynasty only.
I thought about the details and came out like the same what he wrote here.
As this cards main focus is to counter bunny and monkey king the cooldown effect should be changed to these 2 factions.
Leave the card cd like it is at 4 but let it cooldown only fantasia and dynasty cards.
So it will still make 10% deduction on all cards and slow down 2 seconds on fantasia and empire units with hp higher than 1800 (still level down as it is possible now).
This will not make the card useless and you still can counter it (just try sabotage guys...) it will put elven fairy up in damage and will still have the effect wanted to slow down bunny and monkey a lot.
For sure monkey and bunny will be played last, but you never know what comes last
Solution C:
This is not a solution, this is just destroying the card:
The worst case would be to higher the cooldown and leave the rest as it is, which is in my opinion the best way of making this card useless.
Even a cd of 5 or 6 is useless because sure it will hit monkey king and slow it down. but on what purpose?
To let other units hit a trap first? well, i dont think so if the other units are slowed down too.
So Solution A would be the best for my evil mind, but Solution B might be the best for this game.
If you choose solution C please please also change it that it can only hit units with more than 2500 hp. This will make clear for everyone how useful this card is
I could not resist to write something about the comment that "you have not bought this card, you bought diamonds and got the card for free".
This was the only way to get this card. So this was a direct lead to buy product A caused by product B. When you afterwards make product B useless or take it away the original intention of buying the product is gone.
Its like "here, buy this laptop and you get a Lamborghini for free", show the lamborghini car and then just give them a toy car of a Lambo.
That what we call fraud in germany.
But I guess you understand and we see that you are working to fix the card in a good way
@bookie: i like the credit system
Sure it is very strong but OP is something else.
This card is meant to stop monkey king and bunny and it does it quite well.
But never alone. You cant use it without blizzard to have an OP effect.
With blizzard it surely is OP, but when you think about using 2 spellcards targeting all enemy units, a good player knows what to do. You either use sabotage, magic overwhelm or elven fairy.
I played vs very strong players with monkey king, bunny and other epic and high leveled cards in the same deck and I won using blizzard and shuriken.
You now might say "see, this is totally op" but wait, were these players even try to counter a spellcard? NO!!
I lost vs weaker players using no epics cards but also all units being slowed down by shuriken.. well, not slowed down because they used sabotage. Thats the way you have to deal with cards. Use other cards that work against them and not blame the game creator that you just cant play the deck you always played and won.
Sure this cards needs adjustments because we all know math and what happens when you use 2 shuriken...
Solution A:
In my opinion minimum change should be to limit usage to 1.
You can even go to limit buying to 1 so you cant evolve the card and stop to hit every card if leveled high enough...
This would be some real special deal because it applies only to one card and I think it wont be done.
So the better would be to make player only use 1 card because 2 would be useless.
This leads to...
Solution B:
Bookie said some time ago in chat to limit the card to fantasia and dynasty only.
I thought about the details and came out like the same what he wrote here.
As this cards main focus is to counter bunny and monkey king the cooldown effect should be changed to these 2 factions.
Leave the card cd like it is at 4 but let it cooldown only fantasia and dynasty cards.
So it will still make 10% deduction on all cards and slow down 2 seconds on fantasia and empire units with hp higher than 1800 (still level down as it is possible now).
This will not make the card useless and you still can counter it (just try sabotage guys...) it will put elven fairy up in damage and will still have the effect wanted to slow down bunny and monkey a lot.
For sure monkey and bunny will be played last, but you never know what comes last
Solution C:
This is not a solution, this is just destroying the card:
The worst case would be to higher the cooldown and leave the rest as it is, which is in my opinion the best way of making this card useless.
Even a cd of 5 or 6 is useless because sure it will hit monkey king and slow it down. but on what purpose?
To let other units hit a trap first? well, i dont think so if the other units are slowed down too.
So Solution A would be the best for my evil mind, but Solution B might be the best for this game.
If you choose solution C please please also change it that it can only hit units with more than 2500 hp. This will make clear for everyone how useful this card is
I could not resist to write something about the comment that "you have not bought this card, you bought diamonds and got the card for free".
This was the only way to get this card. So this was a direct lead to buy product A caused by product B. When you afterwards make product B useless or take it away the original intention of buying the product is gone.
Its like "here, buy this laptop and you get a Lamborghini for free", show the lamborghini car and then just give them a toy car of a Lambo.
That what we call fraud in germany.
But I guess you understand and we see that you are working to fix the card in a good way
@bookie: i like the credit system
Re: Shurakens
Also like credit system.. Even with small purchases u can get nice epics even cards with time.
Re: Shurakens
Some additional suggestions for this card worth researching.
1. Make this cards cd ability work off of current hp. So as this could work well to slow the units down early in the battle but as the units health drops below the critical number which could be 1800 or some other number lower like even 1600 then they are no longer slowed down by the shurikens but continue to take 5% damage from that point forth. This solves the dilemma of "what if three shurikens are played" and reduces abuse from shuriken izzard and other combos. This also helps deal with monkey King a bit because he has higher health than most units so will get slowed down longer than others. Lastly this would not disincentivize people from leveling up cards.
2. Another person in our chat group mentioned that the properties of shuriken could change after each activation (somewhat akin to empty fort). Examples could be like "after each activation shurikens cd increase by 2" and so shuriken gets slower and slower as the match progresses.
3. Have moonlight maidens ability deal double damage to fantisya traps and spells.
4. Adjust magic overwhelm cd to match shuriken cd.
1. Make this cards cd ability work off of current hp. So as this could work well to slow the units down early in the battle but as the units health drops below the critical number which could be 1800 or some other number lower like even 1600 then they are no longer slowed down by the shurikens but continue to take 5% damage from that point forth. This solves the dilemma of "what if three shurikens are played" and reduces abuse from shuriken izzard and other combos. This also helps deal with monkey King a bit because he has higher health than most units so will get slowed down longer than others. Lastly this would not disincentivize people from leveling up cards.
2. Another person in our chat group mentioned that the properties of shuriken could change after each activation (somewhat akin to empty fort). Examples could be like "after each activation shurikens cd increase by 2" and so shuriken gets slower and slower as the match progresses.
3. Have moonlight maidens ability deal double damage to fantisya traps and spells.
4. Adjust magic overwhelm cd to match shuriken cd.
Re: Shurakens
The card needs to be banned in pro and hardcore modes ASAP, it completely destroys this game, all tcg games have bans, and when it gets banned don't cry u got your free wins already (by cheating) with the this card.
Re: Shurakens
Where is the I like button bookie I really support the credit system it could be like a second vip store that credits can be used in helps players get some event cards they may have missed or that haven't been up for a while
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Re: Shurakens
Nice to see that admin has time to respond to multiple posts in a thread about balancing one card but you have nothing to say about migrating our accounts.