Fixing creator - to developers

[Bookie]

Reduce this cards attack to 225-425 at max level. It's true strength is really in its hp. It is really hard to kill this card with 95% of the cards out there. If you don't play one of the gimmicks like ninja, centaur, or blade shield then the game is lost no matter how well you picked the rest of your cards. Blade shield is not as viable solution as it should be bc a creator cN hide behind two other quick units. By his means blade shield will often not catch a creator till second round. But bc creator is so strong any free player will be dead before then even if they played a perfect blade shield strategy they still die.

This card is really strong dealing as much as over 2000 damage on its first attack and taking seven hits to kill. Throw in two creators and or aelven seduction and in 8 seconds you are looking at over 5000 damage being dealt. I don't know of any free players who can survive 16s vs a creator deck. All heal cards were nerfed so much that they cannot overcome a creator deck anymore. Free players know it's coming and their only options are divine barrier, ninja, and centaur. Most of these are a roll of dice. Ninja will work if there's one creator but if two you're dead. Centaurs are truely a dice roll. Divine barrier can keep them from playing two creators on you from time to time but it's a gamble card when you know you can't win. Healing nine tails cannot stop a creator deck in pro anymore just hardcore. Heals were nerfed too much.

I think you fix this card by lowering it's attack value. Consider your free players. They are valuable. It is no fun for a pay player to play a creator vs a free player and get an automatic win. Seriously? Trust me I know. I try not to play this card except vs top players in pro bc otherwise it is just a guaranteed victory and what is the point. There is no challenge.

Back in v1.7 creators were weaker. Level 26 and attacks in the 400 range. Bc. Of this people with creators didn't always play them. There was much variety in the game now everyone just plays godfather and red dragon to stop creators bc they are too strong. Their hp makes them strong enough and they are fast with low cd. Do they really need to inflict 2000 damage like that and end match in 16s?

You will do much good for creating variety for top players to reduce his attack. You will do much good for free players to keep them from getting frustrated and quitting to fix this card. I know in the last I have said instead of nerfing a card come up with a good counter for it. Well that is also true but if you go that route you need a damn good counter card that mitigates the creators power and one that is not another dice roll. Your main concern in a nerf is to not overdue it to where people are angry. Everyone knows this card is too op. We are all expecting a nerf. In fact we are all hoping for a nerf. You need to nerf this card or your game is in trouble.

This card was weaker when level 50 had 580 attack bc at least ultimate seal could stop it. Instead of making it weaker by nerfing the attack you actually made this card even harder to stop. But in all serious the attack should not go back up to solve this problem it should go back down to v1.7 levels. A level 50 creator should look more like a level 26 creator from that version. The extra 25 hp at level 50 makes this card exponentially stronger often allowing him to survive long enough for another round of 2000 attack damage.

Your other epics like goddess of war and orochi are worthless bc of this card. You cannot seriously start these in first two slots then run into a creator deck and recover. It is not possible. I feel bad for those who have spent money and gotten one of these other epics that are practically unplayable bc of creator.

Ok I am done ranting. Please consider this serious request. I am algal supporter and have two level 50 creators. I have the right to complain about this card more than anyone else. I am doing this for everyone pay and free players alike to keep your game growing in a positive manner that benefits everyone.

[ecb_admin]

Thank you very much for your feedback. We will address it in next update.

[嘴好甜心好坏]

Admin&Bookie:
I think,don't have to Fixing creator,Creator many weaknesses.Such as: ninja,Blande Shield,centaur,Moon Reflection。The creator can kill。

I am algal supporter and have three level 50 creators。I have the right to complain about this card more than anyone（than you！！！） else。

Many people find it difficult to destroy the creator，Only these people could not find a good method，BUT I have so many ways to create kill。

[Bookie]

Dear Chinese guy, I am not picking on you. In our matches we are pretty even. I can beat your three creators with no creators. You must agree with me that this card is op though. You are playing three so of course you would agree.

In all serious you must use a gimmick to stop this card like ninja, centaur, or blade shield. Ninja was more effective against level 26 creator. Vs level 50 that one extra hit makes a big difference. Centaurs work yes, but is a free player solution not a pay players solution. It is for free player with no hope to gamble. Deterrence can work too yes. You are right there are many solutions to stop this card. But there are many solutions to stop every card. With godfather he can be stopped with lord of Templar and blade master. However it is nearly impossible to play a Templar vs a godfather creator deck.

Creator makes orochi, goddess of war, Templar, and even the new epic nearly unplayable. Even overlord has to be passed up as a serious option vs a creator deck. If you look at all the top ten players what do they all have in common? They all play creator, godfather, and red dragon. That's it. There is no more variety. Back in v1.7'everyone had a unique style of play. Now everyone is very similar. Name one player in top ten who does not start a godfather or red dragon? This is not possible. These are the best non gimmick solutions to dealing with a creator and you must start with one or both in case you run into a creator deck.

There is no reason for creator to be this strong. If you play a free player how can it be fun to drop three creators on them? That is an automatic win you must admit. Certainly you want a challenge no? And if you play a pay player do you not want variety? We all look the same now. It is just a matter of time till you realize this. You have so many cards like me. Don't you wish to use them all? Me personally I am restricted to less than ten cards vs a creator deck. There is much repetitiveness.

To the developers I wish for you to make a positive change. This card does not need a major nerf. This Chinese guy clearly loves creator and I wish for him to be able to use his strategy. But you must reduce attack enough that a free player can use blade shield by second round and still be alive. You must do enough that top players don't all play red dragon and godfather only. And you must do enough so that your other epics are playable. Others have spent serious money to get goddess of war but there is no way to play that card and use blade shield to beat a creator deck. Creator will kill that card fast. The solutions to creator are too gimicky.

This game has got to be about strategy too not just ridiculously strong cards. I do not wish to win 95% and only lose to top ten players. It also must be about card selection. There Re many free players who know creators are coming and can't stop it. If you can predict what's coming you deserve victory with correct counter cards. To win you must mix it up or people will figure you out eventually.

I believe with attack of 225-425 at max level your strategy would still work just fine. It's just a few less hp to give some free player a little more chance to survive and let his plan unfold. Currently creators just kill them too fast. By reducing creator attack a little it also makes all the other epics a little more playable. When was the last time you saw someone play an orochi? Too difficult in this creator environment. A creator is a card that should be played 20-30% of time not 100%. When a card is played 100% there is a minor imbalance. Then every card must revolve around it. When a card is balanced properly to where it is played only some of time rather than all of time then game becomes more robust with more options and more playable cards.

I speak with many players in pLringo every day both free and pAy. The creator has made many people quit the game. To me this is a problem. I want this game to grow. More players with more strategies makes things fun. Lately we are seeing fewer players and fewer strategies. We as pay players must be open minded about change. I do not wish to make your strategy obsolete. But realize your strategy makes 20 other strategies obsolete too. It goes both ways. Please consider the potential of the game and be open minded about using a more robust strategy by tapping into all of your cards for victory. There is much more satisfaction in outsmarting your opponent rather than sending cards at them that kill them in an instant.

[necklet]

I am big supporter and have two level 50 creators。I think i have the right to complain about this card with u guys

I was the one ( I think ) started to use Creator&Seduction combo in ladder.

which led me to win 2 champs during the season.

The creator which already got nerfed once. but still strong. it gives unbelivable damage to opponent when used with

seduction . Since seduction can be countered by sabotage easily . however Creator is not.

There are some couter cards such as centaur, blade shield , godfather, red dragon , moon maiden with twister. and etc.

but ur deck choice get so narrow even if u know creator is coming . and more if u didnt expect creator coming

in that game is 99% lost.

I really like this card but and use a lot . but this card makes game no fun. every top player in the ladder

starts with red dragon and godfather. including me. there is no more strategy.

its like a game to defend creator or not. if u defend it u win or else u lose.

So What I want to suggest is that nerf creators damage like bookie said or increase his cd to 9

I dont feel so good when ecb said this card would be nerfed because I bought my two creators by vip 6 with 2000

diamons directly because I cant compete with other top guys without this card.

Dear ECB If u are going to nerf the card . I understand I admit that this is too strong card.

But U should compensate gold or rubies or diamonds to people who has high level creator.

I am sick of using my gold when cards get nerfed and have to reset the nerfed cards over and over again.

I hardly remeber the last time I bought the lucky star pack with my gold.

All my gold is used to reset cards. It would be more hard for people who are not vip 6.

Hope u listen both sides of the users and make a wise decision. Thanks.

[Bookie]

Yes we don't want an over nerf and we want to use this card but we want to use it fairly and when needed not every time. Please test thoroughly before nerfing to make sure all sides are heard and treated fairly.

[Bookie]

Another way to consider fixing this card is to leave his attack where it is at but do away with his special ability. His seven hits to kill is where his true strength is. A card like an orochi is worthless to just ping a creator for nothing. If you just give creator 1500 hp he will be the strongest and fastest area attack unit on the block and cards like goddess if war, orochi, and the new epic would have so much more value. And then you could win without all the gimocky cards. This cards special ability has done more to limit card selection than anything else in the game. I know it is a unique feature, but maybe you create a new card with this feature that is not an area attack unit. The two combined leafs to the imbalance. This would probably do more to open up the game than anything. By doing this you now have more than godfather and red dragon as the only non gimocky solutions. Variety would blossom once again.

You will see players aging creTors in 1-4 spots and free players can have a chance with cards like slashing strike. Chinese guys strategy is not nerfed he can still inflict massive damage fast if he wants but you open up the dynamics and variety so much more by making so many more cards playable. I know if I don't play godfather and red dragon now I will never kill a creator it will just take too many attacks and he is too fast and strong to survive that onslaught.

If you make some new diamond or legend card that is less op with his ability. Maybe a non area attack unit then centaurs and ninjas can be useful against that card as well as blade shield. I think this is probably best solution that makes everyone who invested in this card still happy and wanting to keep it but now also interested in leveling up so many more cards that were previously unplayable.

Creator: lvl 50, attack=300-500, hp= 1801. Ability: creator cannot take more than 900 hp damage from one attack. This seems reasonable. It will take at least three hits and maybe more to kill creator but at least it canbe done without gimmicks.

[PennFifteen]

Creator: lvl 50, attack=300-500, hp= 1801. Ability: creator cannot take more than 900 hp damage from one attack. This seems reasonable. It will take at least three hits and maybe more to kill creator but at least it canbe done without gimmicks.

This can work.

It is also very true that the whole game (pro mode) is focused around dealing with a Creator or multiple ones. It shouldn't be that way.

you spend your picks dealing with him, he doesn't come and you get smoked, or he does come and you MIGHT win. I know these things cant be seen ahead in the future (hes been around forever). But this game gets figured out quickly and this is now the state of ECB. A change is definitely needed.

[嘴好甜心好坏]

Please,language communication is obstacles, don't write too much, easy to understand

[Spidie]

简单来说，
creator过强，许多玩家必秒抓，结果前排玩家都是玩creator组合，
虽然是有弱点的，但他的弱点就那几个方法破解，
导致你用这个组合，我就用这个组合破解，没有了起初的策略游戏体验。

他们也不要破坏这个卡的价值，也不要拥有这个卡的玩家觉得白花了，但是目前这卡让其他epic的卡没有存在价值了

大概如此吧~